A lot of us in the pvp community go way past that and just turn on infinite item usage. That doesn't sound even a little bit fun. If you didn't have toggle escape, pvp would be all about poise stacking with a falchion, or people using dwgr with a demon spear. Shit like toggle escape made DkS1 an amazing game. Just look at DkS3, that game is, in my and 99% of people's opinion, trash in terms of pvp. Without techs and glitches and such, pvp would be trash. I've found new ways to do them, but even the best method, a tech we're calling skidwapping, still isn't even that useful. Moveswaps are a fun little gimmick, but that's about it. They don't give an advantage that will break the game. You can also use them on any build, any time. Moveswaps and such aren't cheating because they're in the game, and everyone has access to it without downloading anything. While I don't really see many people ever actually use it, as it's more for trolling than anything, I can understand why people would get upset by it. Thus, it can have game-breaking consequences. It's not fair to other people because it only needs to be executed once, and can even be done before invading or being invaded, meaning you can attempt it a many times as needed to get it right. These moves are then permanently swapped to the other weapon as long as the configuration is maintained. This is fair because it requires skill to be executed, and can be punished if done poorly.Ī permanent swap takes advantage of the fact that bows have no running or rolling attack to give a weapon those attacks from another weapon by two-handing it in the left hand, which normally can only be done with the bow. To clarify, the difference between moveswapping and permaswapping is that:Ī moveswap swaps a single attack from one weapon to another, and the technique must be performed again each time you want to do it. Realistically, a legitimate player is not able to spam those every time they invade/get invaded, so in my eyes it's not cool to save-edit those in. Something I do have a problem with is 99 elizabeth mushrooms, since you can only obtain like 5 per NG, they're not easily farmable. It's just a time save thing rather than cheating because you can't do it otherwise. Likewise I don't care if people use save editors to quickly construct new SL120 PvP builds, they've probably beaten the game plenty of times already. You're not going to realistically use more than 20 estus / 99 hard humanity either. It doesn't matter to me where your humanity came from. Duping FKS for 99 soft humanity? You can just farm up humanity anyway. Infinite uses of estus, humanites and fire keepers souls? I'm just going to run away until your buff runs out. God forbid someone does it on a stone greatsword. The game isn't designed for 900 AR greatswords. Likewise with someone who tumblebuffs a MLGS with CMW or what-have-you. I will happily black crystal out or ALT-F4 on you if you do that. I'm not going to fight anyone who moveswaps a DGA with an estoc, that's clearly broken and unfair. In PvE nobody cares what you do, so I'll strictly be referring to PvP here.
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